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Reano · Sep 21, 2006, 05:52 AM // 05:52

If I have a M/E and I want to be a healer + prot? Someone told me I was stupid for picking the elementalist as my secondary if I wanted to be a healer and I should've picked a mesmer because of some energy problems I may run into. I guess what I'm asking is it okay to have an M/E if I want to heal?

Maria The Princess · Sep 21, 2006, 05:57 AM // 05:57

mesmer is one of the best secondary professions for a monk!

but you can change it after you get to the desert. what you will need is manta of recall and drain enchants.

but while being an ele secondary you can use glyth of lesser energy which is...ok

The Lich Ranger · Sep 21, 2006, 05:58 AM // 05:58

Yes its ok but with mo/mes u get inspired hex, energy tap, and such which will help u manage ur energy, but with a mo/e u dont get those advantages, it is possible to heal as mo/e or u can just switch ur secondary profession

TwinRaven · Sep 21, 2006, 05:59 AM // 05:59

Your secondary shouldn't really be an issue...Seems like most dedicated monks rarely use their secondaries anyway....though I can see the benifit from using masmers ability to copy elite skills and use them twice...I'd say ele will serve you just as well if you play it right....What's right? That's for you to feel out. Dont worry so much and have fun...you can always change it later if you feel you must.

Poison Ivy · Sep 21, 2006, 06:00 AM // 06:00

Don't forget the biggest Energy gaining techniques out there

Weapon Swaping

Savio · Sep 21, 2006, 06:05 AM // 06:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

Don't forget the biggest Energy gaining techniques out there

Weapon Swaping

Weapon swapping doesn't gain you any energy, it just digs deeper into the energy you have.

Reano · Sep 21, 2006, 06:11 AM // 06:11

ah thank you all so much for the responses, this makes me feel better. I also didn't know you could change your secondary which takes off some of the 'stress' as well. From the looks of it though (although I probably won't be using my secondary abilities all that much) it would just be safer to change my secondary once the time comes to a Mes., so I think that's what I shall do.

Hockster · Sep 21, 2006, 06:13 AM // 06:13

For PvE a healer rarely needs any extra energy management. PvE is so stupidly simple.

Avoid 10-15 energy spells as much as possible. If your group constantly needs multiple Heal Party's, get a new group, that one is doomed. There are enough decent 5 energy heals to fill half the skillbar.

Don't overheal. Overhealing is the biggest waste of energy on a monk. If your groups whamo starts yelling for heals when he's at 75% health, ignore him. pay attention to the ele who decided to get into melee range instead. Then revert to the end of the above suggestion.

Ti Ni Xian · Sep 21, 2006, 08:19 AM // 08:19

I have a monk who is mo/ele and i'm rarely in any energy problems
(i have more energy problems with my monk/mes)

Just like Hockster said you have to avoid the huge energy spells, take the 5 energy spells and signets (signet of devotion and signet of rejuvenation are some great skills that don't cost you anything)

Here is a nice build for a mo/ele:
http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Mo/E_Divine_Spirit_Spammer

Carth` · Sep 21, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42

The Mo/E Divine Spirit Spammer is great. I tweaked it a bit for PvE, but basically your energy always stays at its max because your spells cost less than the speed your energy regens at. I would use it more often, if it didn't mean sacrificing Mesmer utility spells that I like to bring.

Set · Sep 21, 2006, 02:15 PM // 14:15

When I monk, the secondary doesn't really matter much to me. I usually straight up heal or protect with divine favor pumped up.

Dawgboy · Sep 21, 2006, 05:03 PM // 17:03

My monk has mesmer secondary-I think. I've never had any secondary skills on my bar.

You just have to remember that it's your healer's job to keep the party alive, not to keep everyone at 100% health. That's the biggest mistake new healers make. That and spamming Heal Party when only 2 players are taking damage. There's a lot of good 5-energy healing spells that do the job. Word of Healing is my favorite, and it's best used on someone under 50% health.
Sometimes you have to adjust your tactics, such as if there's an overly aggressive wammo(or ele who thinks he's a wammo) in your group, but as a general rule you shouldn't be healing at the first sign of damage.
I seldom run out of energy and everyone is usually alive after the battle. (I'm not perfect! Sometimes it happens.)

Maria The Princess · Sep 21, 2006, 06:20 PM // 18:20

manta of recall is a truely goldy elite skill

it almost never leaves my skill bar

oh...did i mention its a mesmer elite?

xiao1985 · Sep 22, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57

Mo/E is not stupid....

i was using ds spammer healer (as mentioned by ti ni xian) and it works fine in pve...

but after i start to use mo/me, i truly do see the divineness of MoR esp with CoP....

by the way, please make a distinction between Mo and Me, i first thought you were talking about a Me/E, i went HUH?! heal port?!?!

Sep 21, 2006, 05:52 AM // 05:52	#1
Reano Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Sep 2006 Profession: Mo/E	Is it bad if... If I have a M/E and I want to be a healer + prot? Someone told me I was stupid for picking the elementalist as my secondary if I wanted to be a healer and I should've picked a mesmer because of some energy problems I may run into. I guess what I'm asking is it okay to have an M/E if I want to heal?

Sep 21, 2006, 05:57 AM // 05:57	#2
Maria The Princess Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Aequitas Deis	mesmer is one of the best secondary professions for a monk! but you can change it after you get to the desert. what you will need is manta of recall and drain enchants. but while being an ele secondary you can use glyth of lesser energy which is...ok

Sep 21, 2006, 05:58 AM // 05:58	#3
The Lich Ranger Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Home Guild: Children Of Orion Profession: Mo/Me	Yes its ok but with mo/mes u get inspired hex, energy tap, and such which will help u manage ur energy, but with a mo/e u dont get those advantages, it is possible to heal as mo/e or u can just switch ur secondary profession

Sep 21, 2006, 05:59 AM // 05:59	#4
TwinRaven Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Apr 2005 Profession: W/	Your secondary shouldn't really be an issue...Seems like most dedicated monks rarely use their secondaries anyway....though I can see the benifit from using masmers ability to copy elite skills and use them twice...I'd say ele will serve you just as well if you play it right....What's right? That's for you to feel out. Dont worry so much and have fun...you can always change it later if you feel you must.

Sep 21, 2006, 06:00 AM // 06:00	#5
Poison Ivy Forge Runner Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Toronto Guild: Hopping Profession: Mo/A	Don't forget the biggest Energy gaining techniques out there Weapon Swaping

Sep 21, 2006, 06:11 AM // 06:11	#7
Reano Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Sep 2006 Profession: Mo/E	ah thank you all so much for the responses, this makes me feel better. I also didn't know you could change your secondary which takes off some of the 'stress' as well. From the looks of it though (although I probably won't be using my secondary abilities all that much) it would just be safer to change my secondary once the time comes to a Mes., so I think that's what I shall do.

Sep 21, 2006, 06:13 AM // 06:13	#8
Hockster Banned Join Date: Jul 2005	For PvE a healer rarely needs any extra energy management. PvE is so stupidly simple. Avoid 10-15 energy spells as much as possible. If your group constantly needs multiple Heal Party's, get a new group, that one is doomed. There are enough decent 5 energy heals to fill half the skillbar. Don't overheal. Overhealing is the biggest waste of energy on a monk. If your groups whamo starts yelling for heals when he's at 75% health, ignore him. pay attention to the ele who decided to get into melee range instead. Then revert to the end of the above suggestion.

Sep 21, 2006, 08:19 AM // 08:19	#9
Ti Ni Xian Academy Page Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: House Zu Helter Guild: LDDL Profession: Mo/E	I have a monk who is mo/ele and i'm rarely in any energy problems (i have more energy problems with my monk/mes) Just like Hockster said you have to avoid the huge energy spells, take the 5 energy spells and signets (signet of devotion and signet of rejuvenation are some great skills that don't cost you anything) Here is a nice build for a mo/ele: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Mo/E_Divine_Spirit_Spammer

Sep 21, 2006, 01:42 PM // 13:42	#10
Carth` Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2006	The Mo/E Divine Spirit Spammer is great. I tweaked it a bit for PvE, but basically your energy always stays at its max because your spells cost less than the speed your energy regens at. I would use it more often, if it didn't mean sacrificing Mesmer utility spells that I like to bring.

Sep 21, 2006, 02:15 PM // 14:15	#11
Set Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Troy, MI Guild: World Of Darkness	When I monk, the secondary doesn't really matter much to me. I usually straight up heal or protect with divine favor pumped up.

Sep 21, 2006, 05:03 PM // 17:03	#12
Dawgboy Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ohio Guild: Antisocial Misfit	My monk has mesmer secondary-I think. I've never had any secondary skills on my bar. You just have to remember that it's your healer's job to keep the party alive, not to keep everyone at 100% health. That's the biggest mistake new healers make. That and spamming Heal Party when only 2 players are taking damage. There's a lot of good 5-energy healing spells that do the job. Word of Healing is my favorite, and it's best used on someone under 50% health. Sometimes you have to adjust your tactics, such as if there's an overly aggressive wammo(or ele who thinks he's a wammo) in your group, but as a general rule you shouldn't be healing at the first sign of damage. I seldom run out of energy and everyone is usually alive after the battle. (I'm not perfect! Sometimes it happens.)

Sep 21, 2006, 06:20 PM // 18:20	#13
Maria The Princess Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: Aequitas Deis	manta of recall is a truely goldy elite skill it almost never leaves my skill bar oh...did i mention its a mesmer elite?

Sep 22, 2006, 01:57 AM // 01:57	#14
xiao1985 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Nov 2005	Mo/E is not stupid.... i was using ds spammer healer (as mentioned by ti ni xian) and it works fine in pve... but after i start to use mo/me, i truly do see the divineness of MoR esp with CoP.... by the way, please make a distinction between Mo and Me, i first thought you were talking about a Me/E, i went HUH?! heal port?!?!